tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6409501448248880480.post6932313340718521095..comments2022-03-23T04:19:03.120-04:00Comments on The Magical Lotus: The Good, The Bad and the Novel: Some Thoughts On Magical InnovationKarmaghnahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11645214733153084017noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6409501448248880480.post-23649951898316363032012-03-21T21:32:28.043-04:002012-03-21T21:32:28.043-04:00Jason wrote:
"1. The Grimoires do not really...Jason wrote:<br /><br />"1. The Grimoires do not really represent one single way to do anything...."<br /> <br />It is true that the grimoires AS A WHOLE do not represent one single way of doing magic. However, many of the INDIVIDUAL grimoires do offer prescribed methods for working with the demons listed within their pages.<br /><br />"2. The Grimoires are not exactly "traditional". They are just old...." <br /><br />While it may be true that the grimoires are not traditional or orthodox within the tradition from whence they arise, it can certainly be argued that the methods appearing within the grimoires were faithfully preserved from earlier sources. In other words, they had a prehistory or tradition of practice (of course fabrication or innovation cannot be entirely ruled out). Moreover, it is my contention that the continued practice of the methods set down in the various individual grimoires has established a type of tradition.<br /><br />"3. People sometimes refer to these as the "tried and true" methods..."<br /> <br />It is not entirely clear to me as to what point you are trying to make here. If you are suggesting that the grimoires are not “traditional” on account that they have typically been practiced by a very few number of individuals, then I must disagree with you. I would argue that the continued adherence to a prescribed method of action by a single individual is a tradition.<br /><br />"4. The grimoires are not safe...." <br /> <br />That working the grimoires can be dangerous, even when following every safety measure detailed within their pages, is exactly the point I am trying to make. How much more dangerous it may become when one starts working with grimoire demons in non-traditional ways is a moot point.<br /><br />"Note that it is not the mode of contact that RO used which caused the problem ..."<br /> <br />I am not aware of the precise methods RO utilized in his workings with Bune. I mentioned RO’s unfortunate circumstances merely to illustrate the rather pernicious nature of many of the grimoire demons, not to demonstrate the folly of working with grimoire demons in innovative ways.<br /><br />"It is also safer to approach some demons in terms of simple friendship ...<br /><br />Whether it is safer to work with the grimoire demons in a manner prescribed within the grimoires themselves or with non-grimoire methods is, from my point of view, debatable. My primary objective was to point out the dangers of working with the grimoire demons and to question whether or not it is worth the risk to work with them in ways that diverge from the sources from which we have come to know of such entities. Why risk working innovatively with Bune when one can work with Vasudhara? While I cannot foresee how Vasudhara will respond to her supplicants in every situation, it is my opinion that she is far less likely to roast you over an open fire. <br /><br />"Also, if you get a chance, please put a link to Strategic Sorcery's current location..."<br /><br />DoneKarmaghnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11645214733153084017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6409501448248880480.post-65161621126437348702012-03-21T13:28:36.565-04:002012-03-21T13:28:36.565-04:00You know. I completely disagree with you here. The...You know. I completely disagree with you here. There are basic assumptions that are, from my experience, all wrong.<br /><br />1. The Grimoires do not really represent one single way to do anything. They are all different yet most advertise that you can evoke ANY beings using those methods. They are correct. <br /><br />2. The Grimoires are not exactly "traditional". They are just old. They are not traditional or orthodox within the tradition that they arise within, mostly Catholicism, and are not representative of some ediface that must not be changed, since all the Grimoires have different methods.<br /><br />3. People sometimes refer to these as the "tried and true" methods, but again, lets not confuse old with tried and true. For a long period of time most grimoires were only known by very few people. History is not exactly filled with stories of Grimoire magicians getting rich, making developments in science, and flying through the air despite this being exactly the kind of thing that the Grimoires claim. <br /><br />4. The grimoires are not safe. I would argue in fact that in an age where people are not likely to spend hours and hours in devotional prayer and purification, newer methods with modern safeties are actually SAFER in many cases. <br /><br />Note that it is not the mode of contact that RO used which caused the problem, but what he was asking for and how he asked for it. <br /><br />It is also safer to approach some demons in terms of simple friendship or with an offering than it is to start off jacking them up against a wall and threatening harm if they do not obey - which is excactly what some Grimoires do.<br /><br /><br />Anyway, juist some thoughts on the subject. <br /><br />Also, if you get a chance, please put a link to Strategic Sorcery's current location on your blog roll. The blogspot blog has been dead for year. New URL is www.inominandum.com/blog/Jason Miller,https://www.blogger.com/profile/03034226672257024583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6409501448248880480.post-65130657868628239302012-03-21T11:43:25.750-04:002012-03-21T11:43:25.750-04:00Please note, my statement of intent was "Get ...Please note, my statement of intent was "Get me the [dollar amount] by any means necessary as long as no one gets hurt, asap." Basically. <br /><br />Don't say "Any means necessary" if you don't mean "any means necessary." <br /><br />I could have gotten the same result from an "angelic" spirit with shit statements like that.Rufus Opushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10806987441760167537noreply@blogger.com